Containing Runs

9 Jan

Let’s start at this basic tecmo fact. When you guess run on defense you get better run defense. The problem is that tecmo tends to leave all the wr’s open. A smart player will have to either be really amazing at pass coverage or guess pass around 80% of the time.  If your in the later like me then you need to learn how to contain runs yourself.   This is containing running plays.  Containing qb scrambles will be a bit down the road.

First thing first you must identify the best player on your team.  If this player is a safety this is the ideal for run containment.   On all runs a defender might follow you.  Safeties rarely have a defender target them at the snap.  Corners, linebackers and linemen are typically followed on certain plays.

Let’s start with the best running play in tecmo.

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Assume you are going agsinst this playbook.

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Here is how it will look at the line of scrimmage.

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Here is the same pic with the defenders and offensive players labeled.

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Now let’s not be the colts as they have zero good defenders.  Instead let’s go with Pittsburg who has great players all over the place.  We will start with Rod Woodson.  Coach is cpu doing r and s and I am in control of Woodson.   This is idea for nestopia.  As the video goes I’ll rotate to FS then SS, then cb2, LB1 and LB2.  You’ll notice CB2 is very difficult to do.  So is lb3, lb4 and the defensive line positions.  For now stick to lb1,lb2,cb1,ss,fs.   In run contain do not out tap the runner.  We are assuming we will be outtapped.  You can tap a blocker like with the ss move but never the runner. 

This technique uses your drones to make tackles.  Which means it works no matter how good of a tapper you face.  If you hit them just before the drones dive for them they will go down every time. 

What you will notice is that Woodson can popcorn(a term for rb’s and defensive players who instantly knock off tackles or blockers) the wr that is the lead blocker.  If you get to the bottom sideline for long enough the blockers ignore you.  The ss has time to take out the first blocker.  If you had a guy like Fulcher it would be instant because like Woodson he would popcorn the lead blocking wr.  (The other reason to take out that lead blocker as quickly as possible is that sometimes he gets a chop block.  A chop block is an automatic popcorn of all defenders.  Even manned defenders.  Otherwise a manned defender cannot be popcorned.) LB1 has to look out for the lead blocker.  Lb2 has a clear path on the back wards diagonal.  If you have enough hp always popcorn a lead blocking wr if possible.  Here is the link to the video.

Now try LB3.  Its possible to get rid of the defender.  Run straight up and let him run into your lb2.  Or you can run around in circles and try to hit the rb at the key moment.  Next up is for you to set it up against the other r and s plays.  Since at the line of scrimmage you cannot tell which run it is.  Use the same players and see how they fair against r and s sweep l.  The first run in the playbook.

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14 Responses to “Containing Runs”

  1. Jim Socks January 12, 2013 at 5:35 am #

    Liked the video a lot Mort! Could you do one on defending the deep ball or the jj interception? That would be awesome!

    • mort1237 January 15, 2013 at 4:21 am #

      i will if this is a slow week at work. i think the jj int would be more interesting. defending a deep bomb is often more luck and just going into coverage.

  2. Jim (@JimSocks13) January 14, 2013 at 2:36 am #

    Any advice on what plays to run in the run slot 2 and pass slot 4? I can’t find one I like enough to stick with in those two spots.

    • mort1237 January 15, 2013 at 4:19 am #

      run 2 is a spot where you have to learn how to use several plays. I think the best one is the pro form up the middle. Naturally the worst is the fake reverse. Still the motion play, the formation shift, single set back, and the draw can have there uses.

  3. Tecmo Pro January 15, 2013 at 2:05 am #

    What defensive play are you chosing in this training? Does it matter?

    • mort1237 January 15, 2013 at 4:19 am #

      a pass play. if i didn’t say that i will add it to the post. you want to make it as hard on yourself as possible in practice.

  4. Nick Saban February 26, 2013 at 10:14 pm #

    Who do you think the best defender is to stop the FB Pro 2 dive that most use on the 2nd run play? LB 4 if you can time it right but it seems risky. Just seems like a good all around run play.

    • mort1237 February 27, 2013 at 5:55 pm #

      LB4 is the best if it is a guy like Greene, Bennett, Haley, Childress or Fletcher. Without them you have several options. You can be LB4 and run straight up. This often releases a dl and keeps you free.
      You can use LB3 and run straight ahead at the snap. By straight I mean straight. The FB will ignore you and you can then force a grapple with the rb. Often the drones come to help. Also if LB3 is fast you can charge in and dive tackle at the handoff.
      Otherwise you can use any db and either run into the blocker to plug the hole or try to avoid him and get to the rb.
      Lastly make sure you know who that blocker is in his offense. If its a wr and your Fulcher or Browner you can just blow him up by making contact. If you know someone likes that play call cin/det or minn/det. Det has hardly any hitting power on there roster. Same thing with ATL though against them its harder to find someone with the hp to blow up the lead blocker. When you can instantly blow up that lead blocker this play is very difficult to get yards on. Even with Barry Sanders.

  5. Baggins March 1, 2013 at 5:51 am #

    One of the biggest difficulties I’ve always had with stopping the run is IF you bring either safety up to stop the run up the middle. Even IF the S is someone like Polamalu, if he gets popcorned, there’s no one else back there to stop an absolute huge run, that likely ends with a TD. Even if you “know” quite likely that a run is coming up the gut, you can still get mauled. Only thing that ever seems to work for me is to bring either the ROLB or the LOLB down or up, sweep into the hole and make the stop. Doesn’t always work, either. What’s everyone else’s thoughts?

    • mort1237 March 4, 2013 at 4:57 pm #

      i’ve found you have to do all sorts of things to stop those plays. Sometimes running into he center with your db works. Sometimes you use the top lb and crash down or behind the line of scrimmage. Another method is using the 4th lb to either dive in or run straight up. The third line backer can run into his blocker. Then after out grappling be in position to grapple the rb. What I would advise is to constantly mix up your approach. This will mean the runner is never sure if he should follow the blocker or not. Then hopefully you can get him into some indecision. Also it helps to have good drones or for him to have lower hp on the field.

      • Greg Wondra February 26, 2017 at 4:54 pm #

        Hi Mort,

        Good stuff here. Do you have an article somewhere detailing how defensive play calling works? Outside of picking another team’s play, I’m not entirely certain how my defensive play calls translate into defensive coverages. For example, if I call a run D, many times the offenses WRs will be wide open….but sometimes they’re not.

        Conversely, when you’re on offense, how do you recognize what defense the drones are playing once the ball is snapped?

        I thought I’d read somewhere about the different coded behaviors defenses would choose between should a play NOT get called but I don’t understand how it all works. I’d love to get some insight into how defensive coverages are determined by the game whenever a play is NOT flat out picked (and thusly blown up)

      • mort1237 February 27, 2017 at 4:20 pm #

        First of all I had to update this so comments don’t need my approval. I thought I had approved Bru’s reply last night.
        Go to my Facebook. Francis Buennagel. Bruddog left some great info in our discussion.
        My advise with this is to assume the worse. Always be ready for a wr to go deep uncovered. Pass defense is really on you. It’s rare to have 4 of 5 or 5 of 5 covered. Even then many cb’s don’t cover well leaving burn routes. Some plays like shotgun 3 and the 2nd r and s pass are not covered well by the CPU. It’s all about the first 5 seconds more than a play you guess. Recognize what coverage you have and what your best defense is.

  6. Bruddog February 26, 2017 at 9:53 pm #

    @Jim Socks. You want to do your best to stay between the QB and the WR on deep bombs. If you run past the WR you are all but doomed many times. Also if you are not locked in(you should have no control of the player) after the ball is halfway there your player will have no effect on the outcome of the pass.

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